ician jose marti once said, "rights are taken, not requested. they're demanded, not begged for." hello and welcome to case closed. we have to fight hard for our rights here. and even then, you can get accused of something. but you can't beg either... we have to work for them. let's see what this first case is about.
please bring out the litigants. i'm a woman and i'm going to compete as a woman regardless of what him or anyone else has to say. it doesn't matter if she cut everything off and got silicone implants where the sun don't shine. she's not competing in my competition! good afternoon and welcome. -good afternoon, ma'am. -good afternoon. tanya, you're suing juan carlos.
tell me who he is, why you're suing him, and what you demand in order to settle this case. good afternoon, ma'am. i'm suing this man for $50,000. okay. i'm suing him for damages caused by his discrimination. it all started five years ago, ma'am. i decided to enter his fitness competition. i'm a fitness trainer.
i'm also a kickboxing trainer and specialize in body combat. i've trained arduously for a competition he's going to host in los angeles. so he organizes these kinds of competitions. he owns the gym i used to frequent. oh, okay. the thing is, i refuse to keep going to his gym because he lied to me. here's what happened.
this all happened five years ago when i started to... she used to work with me, ma'am. no, i didn't! i started training at his gym. he told me he wanted to help be train and prepare. supposedly, he didn't know i was a man. she always denied it. you lied to yourself. i didn't lie to him. he lied to himself.
the thing is, i'm a woman now, but i was born a man. i've been taking hormones since i was 12 years old. i wanted to change my body and the way i was. i wanted to develop more estrogen and suppress my testosterone so that my body could morph. that's what i'm still doing to this day. this man offered to help me train for the competition. i accepted his help. however, now he won't let me participate
in his competition. i demand $50,000! but why do you...? hold on. i demand $50,000 in damages, ma'am. how so? i underwent gender reassignment surgery two years ago. he claims i still can't compete as a woman,
but of course i can! he won't let me participate. i'm legally considered a woman. -i have the evidence right here. -let's see. is that your license? it's my id, ma'am. i'm legally considered a woman. so once you underwent surgery and removed your genitals... so this is an arizona id where it specifies that you're a female.
i'm a woman. therefore, i can compete in his competition. the issue now is, him and i had a thing for five years. now he claims he doesn't like men. he's gay and he doesn't want to admit it. come here. i want to give you your id back. are you trying to say that you two were in a relationship prior to your sex change?
-he claims he's not gay. -i'm not! but we've been in a relationship for five years now. we dated up to a month ago. why'd you break up? we broke up because he lied to me. he used and abused me. five years ago, when i started preparing for the competition by getting stronger and gaining more muscle mass...
i wanted to be at my best because it's a tough competition. he started talking to me and offering me gifts. he'd invite me out to eat and to the movies. he claims he's never liked men. he claims i lied to him the whole time. that's a lie. would you two have sex? yes, ma'am.
we got to know each other intimately over the years. our relationship grew more and more intense through the years. i was married. excuse you. the first time he came on to me was when he invited me to the movies. i thought, "why not?" after we finished training,
he took me to the movies since there was a movie i'd been wanting to watch. while we were in the movie theater, he started touching me. i didn't want to back out. i liked him. i felt sexually attracted to him. you lied to me. i figured there was no harm. so what happened? was he surprised?
he kissed me. i performed oral sex on him in the movies. -you performed oral sex on him. -a little. if i'd known the truth, that never would've happened. so that's how our relationship progressed. so when did he find out you had a penis? supposedly, he had no clue i had a penis. but here's what happened.
he started giving me little presents here and there. he was doting on you. yes. a man would never do that for another man unless he was interested in him. so now you're a man? what are you, anyway? he'd even buy me underwear so i could look sexy. he'd buy me sexy underwear, leggings, and shorts. some time passed and i started feeling itchy.
i didn't know what was going on. you felt itchy and irritated? yes, i was itchy and irritated. i didn't know what was wrong with me, but i didn't know what was going on. i was so obsessed with feeling like a woman that i'd use pads... i'd wear them during my workouts to take care of any sweat.
right. i thought that's what was irritating me. so i stopped using pads, but the itchiness continued. as the days went by, i noticed that my genitals were getting swollen and dark. i was scared by then. i was constantly itchy. -did you see a doctor? -yes, i did.
what'd they say? i was peeing blood, ma'am. what was the diagnosis? the doctor asked if i was using anything new. apparently, the panties and shorts he had gifted me were laced with pesticides! he wanted... he supposedly wanted... he wanted your parts to fall off? he tried using pesticides to get my genitals to fall off!
i was simply doing her a favor, ma'am. so you admit it? i was helping her out. so you are admitting it. that's why i hate him so much. that's why i demand $50,000. of course. where am i going to get that kind of money? well, eventually you got your surgery done.
yes, i underwent gender reassignment surgery after that scare, the doctor recommended... that you get surgery. yes, he said it was best for me. the thing that drove me to get surgery was this. he promised he'd marry me if i got the surgery. i was married at the time, ma'am. she's still biologically a man. she might not be a man physically and anatomically,
but the human genome dictates that she have more muscle mass than the average woman. she's at an unfair advantage. if you tried to box with this woman... she could kill you with one blow. i wouldn't say one... just look at those things on her chest. she could kill someone with those. i don't know.
i'm just trying to enforce the rules. so what are you proposing? that she compete in the men's category? obviously. but doesn't that seem absurd to you? these men will be wearing their fitness bottoms and wearing nothing on top. what's she going to do? is she going shirtless as well?
you're essentially ridiculing your own competition. all the contrary. you're going to make the men in the competition feel ridiculous because there's a woman competing against them. the state of arizona if not the whole country has regarded her as a woman. are you going to challenge that by refusing to let her participate in a competition for women?
she has an unfair advantage! she's a woman, not a man! it wouldn't be fair to the other women! that's what he fails to understand, ma'am. i'm a woman! this man is clearly confused. he opened up his statement by saying things were simple, but then he went on to spew this nonsense. he also seems to be confused when it comes his private life.
when they started dating five years ago, she hadn't gotten her surgery yet. however, they were already in an intimate relationship yet he claims he doesn't like men. so he's the one who's confused, here. this is all a product of her lies. from the moment she started training with me at the gym... so let her fool everyone in the competition. if she managed to fool you before she had surgery...
why go against it? she's a woman! if you say so. she may be legally considered a woman, but she's not competing in my competition. i make the rules. i don't want her competing as a woman. -she has an unfair advantage. -okay, listen up. first of all, you probably shouldn't have come here.
by agreeing to come here, you're agreeing to abide by the referee's ruling. that is, yours truly. if you're so bent on her not competing, you probably shouldn't have come. now you're at mercy of my ruling. that's the first thing. secondly, i'd like to ask you something. you admitted to lacing her underwear with pesticides.
she had mentioned something along those lines so i decided to help her. help her in what way? i was helping her get rid of her unwanted member. why? for whatever reason she wanted to get rid of it. i don't know. i was just trying to help her. i don't know why she's changing the story now and making it seem like i hurt her.
your marriage must also be in a state of confusion. thanks to her, my marriage is ruined. she ruined everything. my life is over. she ruined everything. not you. you haven't done anything. you're just fine. you're happily confused. he was a victim of my lies.
a victim of your lies. he chose not to see the truth, ma'am. that's right. you always denied your true identity. alright, who brought a witness? i did. i did too. bring out the plaintiff's witness. well, this is a fairly recent topic
given all the changes going on in the lgbt community. these kinds of changes are occurring more and more often. there are lots of lawsuits underway be it for bathrooms, competitions, and whatnot. at the end of the day, why complicate ourselves? we've evolved as human beings. these things even occur in nature. there are animals who naturally change sex over time, like fish.
however, we always insist on complicating things instead of accepting things for what they are. good afternoon. what's your name? good afternoon, ma'am. my name is tatiana. tatiana. you're the plaintiff's witness. how do you know her? tania and i met at the gym. we're both very athletic. we've both been training for this competition for a while.
out of all the women training for this at the gym, i think she and i are the top competitors. why's that? why do you think tfor this competition. because she was born a man, she has to take hormones, which makes her weak. she may be better at certain things, but the rest of us can probably top her in other sports.
bring out the defendant's witness. those are the kind of distinctions people make. the whole topic of trans people is nothing new, people. it's been around for ages. now is when we're finally dealing with it as a part of everyday popular culture. good afternoon. my name is karina. okay, karina.
you're here on behalf of the defendant. the thing is, i'm also trans. i haven't had surgery, though. no matter how much estrogen we take or how much stuff we do to try to seem more like women, we still have the same strength as men. i don't think she should compete. i'm competing as well, but i'm competing as a man. deep down inside, we have the same strength as all men.
we're still men from a genetic standpoint. okay. that's your opinion. i'm sorry to interrupt, ma'am... but he's planning on making us compete together. he claims i'm just as much a man as she is... but the difference is, she's only 99% woman. she still has 1% of her masculinity hanging between her legs. i'm a real woman!
you're right. that's true. at least i'm not fake like you. she didn't deny it. let's see what our experts have to say about this. let's welcome dr. caroline maldonado, attorney lizette sierra, and mr. williams lucena, sexologist. are you two friends? is there something going on? we started seeing each other a month ago.
for work. she didn't say you were seeing each other for work. -she didn't, but i did. -listen to me. she didn't have to lie. everyone knows you're not seeing each other "for work." it's not a work relationship. you need to see a shrink, honey. you're in denial. he doesn't know what he likes.
hello. dr. maldonado. let's talk about the effects of testosterone and estrogen on the human body and the hormonal changes that occur after gender reassignment surgery. once the patient begins estrogen therapy, there's usually a huge change. hair patterns might change, acne might kick in,
their skin becomes suppler and their breasts grow in. testicles become smaller. any muscular changes? muscle mass will typically decrease. that's usually the last thing to go, but after about three years, there should be significant loss of muscle. there shouldn't be much of a difference.
why doesn't this happen with crossfit, ms. sierra? i know you're knowledgeable on the subject because you're into bodybuilding. yes, that's right. this is rather interesting because there's no legal precedent for it. from a legal standpoint, she's considered a woman. if she can prove that her testosterone levels are below ten nanomoles
for one whole year, then she should be allowed to compete. is that the cutoff? ten nanomoles? by the way, about these competitions... i don't do crossfit. i do bodybuilding. the premise of these competitions is to compete against yourself. her witness, which is competing against her, feels very comfortable.
that's how it usually is in the community. if she underwent gender reassignment and has been under hormone therapy, there's no reason why she shouldn't compete in the women's division. now, mr. lucena. i think the defendant is the troubled one here. he claims he's heterosexual... but he's obviously attracted to transgender men and women.
yes, he probably has a direct attraction to them. but he can't admit it. it's scary for him. it generates conflict within him. he's a married man. this is seen quite commonly in my clinic. i've seen many married men who come to me seeking relief. they want to manage that transition. they're still attracted to their wives,
whom they've been married to for ten or 20 years, but all that sexual energy is focused on a trans person. for them, it's a huge point of conflict. it is conflictive, though. it sure is. if you begin to analyze the concept... it is conflictive. it's conflictive because we always manage to define sexuality
in some way or another. i think we're starting to realize that sexual identity is like an amoeba in the sea of sexuality. right, evidently. it's a spectrum. people refer to spectrums of sexuality. there aren't these strict parameters anymore. before, either you were straight or you were gay. not anymore.
now there are a variety of sexual orientations, at least eight or nine completely different ones. people try these different orientations out to see where they feel most comfortable in. where do they belong? they're trying to figure out where they belong. great. alright, juan carlos. i hope you've learned something amidst all this.
i know you're probably bored because in that crazy mind of yours, you're probably wondering about your next crush and how to lace their panties with pesticides. god knows where your mind is. but... as an organizer for these kinds of events, if you're going to apply these kinds of absurd rules where participants can only compete based off the sex listed on their birth certificate,
you're going to have a hard time. some of these people have had their birth certificates retroactively corrected and you won't be able to tell otherwise. besides, it's not like you can sleep with all the trans people in the world. that's going to be difficult. given the fact that she argued her case adequately and managed to prove all of her claims,
she just won this case. i rule in your favor. you're to pay her $50,000 in the next 30 days. it's final. case closed!
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